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  1. RyanShhit says:

    I hate doing this, I feel like the content creators never see your comments. But watching this, I feel like the overall consensus is correct. But Tim said that men have the advantage and women are disadvantaged. I think you’re correct to a degree. But long term, an accidental pregnancy is 18 years while a false sense of the reality of love is far more lasting.

  2. TheSkoalBandit says:

    Ian’s looking for the words “sensual porn” the stuff marketed toward women 😅

  3. BoycottCHYNA says:

    This is for Ian.

    …you can’t post links..

    For real tho…

    How are we to share information…

    I may cancel. Please address.

    Comment response requested.
    👊🏼🇺🇸❤

  4. Rosegarden says:

    Hearing Tim and Ian talk about Cinemax and thinking to myself that all I had was JC Penny catalogues and those monthly store flyers. I’m not even 30 yet.

  5. Tim made me a little excited describing purehub 😆 oh fuck

  6. Michael_Ashcroft says:

    Ladies, here’s a secret.
    A fat ugly disgusting smelly rich guy generally can only buy one wife.
    He can buy unlimited hookers.

  7. JamoeCW says:

    poor debate. conflating multiple partners with porn, also conflating prostitution with porn.

    porn itself if good. porn is a natural mechanism of a societal problem. if people are having trouble satisfying the need for sexual relationships in a society then more porn is consumed. in history porn took different forms, but it has existed since the earliest days of civilization.

    • nrol34 says:

      Perhaps the needs of society are based on it’ expectations and it’s principles. Nobody has a moral stand. Moral values have eroded. The WOKE has NO MORAL VALUES.

      What moral values do you have? What moral principles should we run society on? The last moral principle I heard in the 90s was that we were workers to make a profit from our employer. Get absorbed in your work and be glad to make the employer profit. These values were put out by Quality Circle groups. They wanted us to be like the Japanese in thought. This was thrown by the wayside with NAFTA.

      What values should our government have? Taking away porn takes away the first amendment. But why defend the Constitution for something disgusting? NOBODY looks deep into what makes JUST LAWS. I try with Kant and think that a law should be based on moral beliefs of not hurting the free will of reasonable people others in society.

      Porn and the first amendment are a symptom of the problem. Should Alex Jones have been banned for comments on Sandyhook? But why defend it for something on the margin. Defending free-will is the foundation of being a Universal Morality Absolutist. Moral values I have are tolerance, respect for others and their property), honesty, (I’m working on the virtue of humility), cooperation, compassion (I have no compassion for idiots), acceptance, perseverance, responsibility, caring, and citizenship.

      Nobody thinks deep I am acting out of citizenship and perseverance and do not accept anyone’s state because they are weak and not well thought out. What are your moral values? Do you believe that maintaining the free will of a reasonable individual is important to creating a law? What are a person’s duties to society (Loch)? Or are you a Relative Moralists and believe society should not have moral values and treat everyone equitably by law? You are being NUDGED into being Relative Moralists and don’t see it. Everyone wants to create laws that “feel good”. WAKE UP

    • nrol34 says:

      Porn is a societal problem and can be treated with therapy. First, create moral principles that society can stand in. The cheapest and best Cognitive Behavior Therapy, for those afflicted with hedonism, is being able to work in a society that offers for a decent pay for a day of work. If a person’s safety is difficult to maintain, they want to escape. Moral principles, and work, you can’t go wrong.

    • Dallasr915 says:

      Thats not necessarily true. Porn can quickly become a behavioral addiction.

  8. Chickawhompwhomp says:

    Lol god created men and women in his image, pretty sure that image doesn’t include a dick in her ass on blast for a fee. 🤷🏻‍♂️ Just being honest here.

    • nrol34 says:

      How do you know what God thinks? Are you better than everyone else? God created the hole. God created free will. Porn is free speech under the first amendment, regardless of how disgusting it is, it is a freedom. DON’T let freedoms be eroded. You don’t have to approve. It is between those participants and God

  9. jprattie says:

    Listen – I lived in Vegas for 6 years; worked for a major Casino, big house, two GTR’s in the garage, a big salary, hitting the gym every day, immaculate grooming, VIP entry into every club, etc. THE FACT IS: Until ugly unattractive guys STOP paying girls for ANYTHING – this stuff will NEVER stop. Girls with no education, no skills or a family history of abuse will continue to try and extract money out of ugly, unattractive guys – even if they have to hold their nose – then they’ll go back and hook up with the guy their really attracted to – for FREE.

    I watched this play out in the streets and the clubs for 6 years — in the fastest city in the country, full of scammers, con artists, hookers, whores, you name it —

    It’s the DEMAND that needs to go away – no different than drugs. If thirsty loser guys would stop paying, all of this would go AWAY. TOMORROW.

    • UppityG says:

      @JP, yup. Far too many guys would rather use the easy way to get pussy, through cash, rather than improve themselves. It coursens them, the women, their friends, their lifestyles, all of it, when emotionally connecting to another human is replaced with a business transaction.

      More of us need to straighten up and make wiser choices.

  10. spike001ton says:

    So aside for political standing and the like in theory not sex till marriage is great but also you wouldn’t buy a car without test driving it first I think sex is that way it could be the nicest car sound great no scratches or debts but you go down the road and the car vibrates horribly your not going to buy it or it’s going to change your asking price a couple that hasn’t experienced sex might find out that they just are compatible and this could be a deal breaker let’s not kid ourselves men are programed like most animals to spread there seed to as many females as possible it’s an instinct now is is on the female to do enough to keep the male and so going back to the car analogy if the car was test drove the issues could be addressed before the deal was made of if they can’t be fixed the buyer can walk away sorry if this analogy makes people mad it has in the past I’m not comparing women to property but the process of selection is what I’m referring to with it figured I would add that as it has been an issue before maybe here people aren’t as likely to look at it like that

  11. spike001ton says:

    So this is one where I’m torn I have for a lack of a better term MGTOW tendencies while I’m not agnoist a relationship and the like I think that there are issues in the courts and laws that make marriage and having kids a risky proposal for men and I think the only way to get enough men to avoid it that it starts to hurt the women to get them on board to change the laws this being said if I was to stumble apon the right women who shared my views I would gladly get into a relationship (now as a conservative type telling a women your agnoist state marriage is usually a deal breaker even if you say I have no issues saying words Inna church I just won’t make it legal to the state) I have struggled with porn and it’s a tool to help keep me sane but I have realized if I was to get in a relationship I would have issues not with being with one women but but years of takeing care of oneself it’s hard for another to do the same so I being more libertarian than conservative ultimately side with allow it now prostitution has been brought up I think it should be allowed that coming from my libertarian side but I think that the powers that be won’t fully legalize prostitution and that’s if men had a way to get the sex they desire without having to pursue a women that has strings attached it is easier to walk up to someone hand them money do the deed and both parties leave this would push alot more me towards the quasi mgtow side the I just don’t care to be bothered finding a women group hurting the feminist side so I don’t think your going to see prostitution fully legalized for both sides of the transaction legalized any time soon maybe there will be some the prostitute side is legal but the John side is still criminal I can see that happening ultimately I’m pretty black pilled on this one

  12. The_Middling says:

    If you can see abs on a woman she’s lean. women naturally need a higher body fat percentage. While gymnasts are the extreme and scar jo may not be overly muscular she is certainly way below a healthy level of body percentage. Your point is still valid but she is far from doughy but still an impossible standard.

  13. Pirg says:

    Ian misses the point, porn is bad because it twist what love making is. He says it multiple times what makes me “cum”. That is what porn turned sex into, just the feel good at the end. Not the joining of two souls. The purity of sharing something with someone else that no one else gets. Trying to get “better” is what ruins the act.

    • ebsixtynine@gmail.com says:

      No, he clearly understood their point, he just seemed to think they were painting with too broad of a brush, which they very much so were. Lydia just dumped paint on the canvas at the end. Her’s was an incredibly 1950’s suburban take on the issue.

  14. Bignate says:

    Omg. Ian is on fire with this porn discussion. He really thought this through. Kudos man.

  15. Bigly12025 says:

    18:03 Damnit Ian. Why did you have to shit on the point?

  16. FirstThessalonian says:

    It is a vice, same as any other. Watch what you are filling your time with. Screen, friends, family, yourself. If this hinders you in any way you must abstain else you will lose yourself.

  17. Nasasniper says:

    I’m loving Lydia’s opinion on porn! I haven’t seen this side of her. I wish she had more commentary. Less from Ian please!

  18. UppityG says:

    Amazing. Just when I think humanity can’t get more irrational or self-destructive, it proves me wrong. There are, seemingly, members here who paid cash in order to abuse other members. Paid. Cash. 😂 Yeah, that’s an intellectual right ther’.

    • nrol34 says:

      “Good sex is like good bridge. If you don’t have a good partner, you’d better have a good hand.” ― Mae West

      • nrol34 says:

        “In every way, masturbation is quite handy.”
        ― Alain Bremond-Torrent, “Darling, it’s not only about sex”

        “Cornflakes was mainly build because of the reason masturbating. The creator thought that if you eat healty food you won’t masturbate… is he right?”
        ― Deyth Banger

        “One man’s pornography is another man’s theology.”
        ― Clive Barker

        “Sports is to war as pornography is to sex.”
        ― Jonathan Haidt

  19. GalaxyWhoop says:

    Tim has “never heard of OnlyFans” but he knows somebody who told him she was going to do it a year ago. Lol

  20. GalaxyWhoop says:

    “There is nothing wrong with porn. Porn has taught me that there is nothing wrong with having sex with my step sister.”

  21. GalaxyWhoop says:

    I guess I missed my chance to try OnlyFans. Lol

  22. Headrock says:

    For once I agree with Ian (yeah, I know) on the subject of bringing what you learned from porn into the bedroom. The others’ arguments against it were ridiculous; Claiming that what you bring with you could turn off the other person? Have you ANY IDEA how many marriages get derailed in the same way you described just because people DIDN’T bring in anything new, or DIDN’T express likes? How many stable marriages happen BECAUSE people hook up on the basis of similar sexual tastes?

    It’s no wonder the conversation went directly into religion right after that. Gotta bring in that dogma!

  23. Neversummer160 says:

    Ian’s wholesome porn site will only consist of consensual intercourse in the missionary position with the lights out for the purpose of procreation. Absolutely disgusting.

  24. neilinda says:

    Having read most of the comments here, I think it is interesting how many people (and how strongly some people) confuse “sex” with “porn.”
    I also think what would classify today as porn has not been around for thousands of years, what we produce today could not have been created much more than a hundred years ago. While I believe a wide variety of what might be called ‘erotica’ with differing levels of explicitness has been produced for hundreds… perhaps thousands of years- it is nothing like what has been generated/allowed/accepted the last one hundred years.
    Perhaps this has been a shift of the Overton window that, because we have lived through it, has not been noticed.

    • Rawdog says:

      Ummm…I seem to recall reading about a Roman empress from the BC times who had a fake cow made so that she could climb inside and get PLOWED BY A BULL.
      That means that your assertion is a LIE. Shall I start referring to you as Biden?

  25. CdnElJefe says:

    Ian obviously has never looked at the data about how bad porn is for people, especially kids. He also doesn’t have kids which changes many opinions as well.

  26. Russ says:

    Porn built the internet. Without porn there would be no internet.

    Women selling their bodies is the oldest known business.

    Addiction occurs in many things with sex and porn being one of many possible additions. It is not the porn that causes the addiction. This is like blaming a firearm for someone being shot. Just plain stupid.

    Competition between women has almost no limit to the lengths women will go. Porn is simply women capitalizing on this competition.

    Throwing your morals at the oldest business in the world is rather a fallacy. People without an ethical or moral structure will not change with or without the porn. Again, blaming porn is like blaming the gun for someone being shot. The moral issues are a function of broken and bad parenting, lack of a father with lack of a family structure with a breakdown in guidance of young people by those older and more experienced. This breakdown shows in many areas, especially in violence by younger people and in the belief in full on communism and socialism. This is lack of knowledge and a moral structure.

    Last, one should not enter the porn industry or view port if they do not have a view of the real world rather than this fantasy world. Living in a fantasy world is a problem throughout all societies. Many humans are broken with porn abuse is just one example and not at all the only problem.

    • nrol34 says:

      You are 100% correct. I believe in Universal morality, which has been removed from schools in favor of Relative morality. Relative Morality is what the Woke believes and treats everyone with Equity and takes away the free will of the reasonable person. Lack of moral values is what the culture lacks. Porn is not the problem.

      If you go to a public school that is Woke (Loudon County School District VA) and, search for moral values, none are seen in the mission statement. Culture and education go hand in hand. The education system has fallen apart. Taking away porn is like taking away guns. The rights of reasonable free-willed people are being eroded.

  27. Roseofsharron1962 says:

    As a Christian we would go to sunday school, then church, eat dinner at church, then have evening service. Go back on wed pm for Bible study, choir, children groups. So twice a week family together.

  28. Craigragan29 says:

    As a drug and porn addict yes porn is bad for people. Choosing to do so is not.

    • sgrantham48@gmail.com says:

      I hope you have kicked both brother, I truely hope you are happy and healthy. Be safe!

    • Rawdog says:

      I don’t know if you are shilling for the the fucking christians.
      I will ass-u-me, for now, that you (craigragan29) are just a pathetic idiot.
      There is nothing wrong with the use of drugs &/or porn.
      Just don’t overdo either. You will be fine if you follow that rule.

      As for the shitballs reading this who are religious fucktards…
      So what if someone uses drugs to dull the pain of life.
      So what if someone uses porn because you cunts just want to insult a guy because he is not superman.
      If you don’t want a person to use drugs, HELP THEM OUT.
      Step up bitches, put your money where your fucking religious mouth is & have sex with these guys that are using porn.

      Otherwise, SHUT THE FUCK UP

    • nrol34 says:

      Miriam Webster says:
      Drug definition is – a substance used as a medication or in the preparation of medication. I don’t see anyone getting a prescription for Porn. Limiting porn is limiting someone’s free will to seeing it, being amused, and titillated. Porn is addictive and a reasonable person should not become addicted. Unreasonable people and people who are disgusted should stay away.

      Why do you want to limit free will. Do you want power and to be like God?

  29. BethanyJM23 says:

    Best movie about impact of porn: SHAME. Director’s the same guy who directed “Twelve Years A Slave.” Scientific studies prove pornography literally changes the way a male brain develops. Dangerous stuff.

    • MacOsborn says:

      Ian definitely needs to watch that movie. Porn turns women into just a “body” and makes men out to be sex machines. No Ian, porn is bad.

    • nrol34 says:

      Porn has been around a long time. YOU now have this movie that it’s bad just for the male? These comments and cherry-picked data are sexist. Teenage sex has been going on for centuries. Sounds like Woke BS you only want to torture poor boys with your Woke BS.

      • UppityG says:

        @NROL, sexual hyperfascination has been around since the dawn of man. However. The internet has weaponized its production, availability and access. To even the prepubescent, well before they’re anywhere near ready, either organically or culturally. Slinging name calling is a sign that you are insecure in your position.

        • nrol34 says:

          The position is natural. Sex is natural. By removing someone’s free will, you are also creating resent and limiting their ability to make decisions for themselves. I think it is immoral to impose your will on others. Let the young man learn porn is ego-dystonic. It is part of his moral development. By taking the freedom away, you create resentment and an attraction to it. Think about prohibition and then the lost war on drugs. (look at Portugal and how drugs were handled)

          It would be best if you read the philosophies of morality. Epistemology has metaphysical, logical, and moral philosophies. You are stuck in your own metaphysical world. It’s attractive to impose your will on others. Coercion, by the imposition of a certain worldview, removing a natural stimulus is a natural inclination and is evil. It removes the free will of a reasonable person to make a choice; it limits a person’s ability to develop. They may have some regret but will grow from the experience.

          By the way, you say my stace is weak. How? is leaving open-ended statements justifying your stane part of your culture today? No wonder the Woke is winning.

  30. Bgdaddysmooth77 says:

    Former strip club bouncer. There was a mother/daughter duo. Not saying the point is wrong generally speaking but some people are that depraved

  31. UppityG says:

    Squires is right, dry up the demand and the supply will shrink or seek a different market.

    Humans, even as children, have a sense of what is “right” or “wrong” because they wonder what it’d be like if X were to happen to them. Of course, a lot of the time, they fail to put themselves in someone else’s shoes and then proceed to go where angel’s fear to tread.

    As I’ve observed before, Crossland’s capacity for tolerating evil is breath taking. He can and will rationalize anything, anything at all, and will actually make more of an effort to accommodate evil and dangerous ideas, rather than rational and healthy ideas.

    Clearly, he’ll never learn.

    • nrol34 says:

      Hey, you are right. Morality is developed (Kohlberg) just like cognitive abilities (Piaget). I take it back you did get out of your metaphysical world and are able to dance in the moral-philosophical world and logical philosophical world.

      You are correct that technology has developed extremely quickly. I worked for Bell Labs and an engineer for 20 years and then became a Registered Nurse in a state psychiatric hospital. I saw many sexually traumatized and those who were evil due to mental illness and some due to their inclinations.

      Taking away a stimulus is punishment . You can’t smoke today because you beat up so and so. This can be understood because known rules were broken. If you take away pornography the young will not be able to reason why. This limits the ability to develop moral values. They will learn it is ego-dystonic and stay away. It may cause regret, but by being burned you learn to stay away from heat. Body dysphoria, false beliefs on sexuality and the idea of how to treat a partner are an issue. Keeping away from the young and declaring what is indecent, creating deviant development should be explored. Regulation decency may be regulated. But you are proposing something like the Comstock laws of 1873 which were harmful.

      • UppityG says:

        @NROL, either you’re not an asylum worker but rather a patient, or you’re on something and didn’t bring enough for everyone.

        I have never proposed banning any fucking thing. Not once. You’ve jumped the megalodon.

        When I said dry up the demand, I said so in the same vein that Squires does: as a free, self-realizing, self-determining ADULT human, elect to not partake. If you also are a parent, choose to model and teach such restraint to your children, such that they have the breathing room in which to reach adulthood with as little trauma, confusion or derailments as possible. Then, and only then, can your child, now responsible for themselves, risk experimenting or taking adventures. They have a strong foundation of values and morals, so they can shrug off whatever results, or pick and choose from the experience, or take an entirely different life path.

        Children need clarity and reliability, not confusion and instability. And they need their parents to be strong, brave and present. Any parent who leaves it up to the child to decide what sexual content or outcomes he can tolerate is a fucking coward who wants to be able to say later, when his entirely confused and unstable child at whatever age Hits the Wall, “hey, don’t blame me, YOU made those choices for yourself.”

        And I do believe you are one such child.

        As I think you are arguing logical fallacies and wish to attack my character and imagined motives rather than my argument, and are prone to letting the exterior world choose your personal policies, rather than rationally and wisely setting said policies first and have them assess the exterior world, I’m not confident you and I can converse further in any meaningful way.

        Have a nice day.

        • nrol34 says:

          You twist and spin in your anger and pain. Carl Jung Quote – “There is no coming to consciousness without pain…” Maybe when you calm down, you will see what a reasonable person thinks.

  32. Harpgt1207 says:

    I’ve been rejected by girls so many times and all the good ones have been taken, so why bother. Porn is fucking amazing and I don’t think I’m gonna stop watching porn anytime soon

    • UppityG says:

      @Harp, by any chance, were you raised by a single mom? Usually, dads teach their sons how to handle rejection, and how to hone their honey-picker so you don’t waste time on someone who is more likely to fail to appreciate what you have to offer. Women, starting in the 60s, were sold a bill of goods, by feminism, when they were told that they could do anything they wanted and they didn’t need a man to be happy. That was a lie, obviously.

      But no one told men that they didn’t need women to be happy. And healthy fathers raise sons to understand their limitations, and strive for what they can attain and be excellent at it. That way lies a greater chance at achieving happiness more often than not.

      Single moms know how to reject a man, they don’t know how to be rejected. As a result, they don’t know how to model handling it well, and certainly not how to teach it to their sons.

      But if you had a dad in your house, I’m disappointed he didn’t have that lesson with you. Well, maybe you can find a substitute role model, at church, maybe the gym, someone who lives a life you admire for the right reasons. Good luck.

      • Rawdog says:

        Can’t WAIT for the apocalypse…mostly because of religious, egotistical assholes such as you.

        • nrol34 says:

          Why do you want to push your worldview and will on others? God gave us free will. But did not give us knowledge of good and evil. In Genesis, when Eve bit the apple, she did it of free will. The serpent told her it would make her like God. When Adam and Eve bit the fruit from the tree of knowledge, they felt shame, fear, and regret. The original sin, according to Aquinas, is Eve wanted to be like God.

          It is an original sin to want to be like God, when you want to limit the free will of reasonable people. How can you make a person go to heaven that does not want to go to heaven? By limiting PORN, you are limiting their access to letting consciousness grow. They will gain Knowledge and feel shame, fear, and regret. Carl Jung Quote – “There is no coming to consciousness without pain….” Drying up porn will only make it more attractive. The act of limiting free will makes those that do it like God.

          Porn is NATURAL, but has to be used within reason. Those affected must learn to grow away from it. There should be counseling, and a more resilient person is created. You can’t preach to a person until they have a listening, and removing availability will decrease listening. Hedonistic pleasures (Alcohol, drugs, porn, and prostitution) offer a realm for discussion. Logical discourse resolves issues.

    • BethanyJM23 says:

      Don’t give up! If you do let go of porn, start going to counseling, face your own trauma, figure out who YOU are as a man (you are male, correct?) You will meet you life partner. I promise you this. The culture you were born into isnt fair in that it’s taught you if you have a cool car & have sex ur a “man.” We know this isn’t the case. I’d like to ask u a few more questions-get you going on the right track. There’s hope. I promise. Are u interested in having a phone convo? For real. I don’t want u to give up. My name is Bethany, btw.

      • nrol34 says:

        Porn is not Trauma. It is a natural inclination. Sex and pornography date back thousands of years. You WOKE trying to push cherry-picked data to males. You never talk about females. I’m sure you have another underlying agenda.

        • UppityG says:

          @NROL, yes, it is. It is a hyperabundance of stimulus unnatural and unhealthy. All parties directly involved are harmed, whether they acknowledge it or not. That includes you. Defending it is a sign for you to do some self-examination. If for no one else than your own children, born yet or not. Paz.

          • nrol34 says:

            You quote that it is unnatural. How so? Men have looked at women and Porn has been around for thousands of years. To all of a sudden say, porn should be dried up tells me you want to impose your morality on others. Limit free will? Why do you want to do this? Are you always right?

            People that elevate themselves above others have some reason. Reasonable people who have will taken away from them are attracted to what they should not have. Prohibition is an example of failure in limiting free will to drink. The drug war is failed, many are homeless because it. Treat drugs like Portugal does, treat the ill and remove the reason to want to take drugs by state sanction.

            The path you are taking will only lead to people wanting porn more. When alcohol was taken away, it was driven underground, people drank more and there was more violence. Drugs right now are similar. Now you want to dry up porn? You are confused, self-righteous, and evil. The elites will always let porn live underground. There will be an underworld that supports this and it will become more abusive.

      • Rawdog says:

        Hey Bethany, I have a dick that needs sucking. You up for it? If not, SHUT THE FUCK UP.

  33. Mortal_42 says:

    One of the problems I see with modern porn is that most of the subject matter is composed of incestual relationships. If children and teens are constantly bombarded with porn that normalizes sex with family members, and then rewarded with huge endorphin releases for “interacting” with it, what damage might that do to the nuclear family structure? I don’t think we know what the end results might be, but I can imagine they are not good.

  34. TheReasoningPatriot says:

    Tim, stop judging and kink shaming. Kink has nothing at all to do with porn and people who like kink aren’t necessarily addicted to porn.

    • UppityG says:

      @Reasoning, “kink”:
      kink kĭngk:
      n. A tight curl, twist, or bend in a length of thin material, as one caused by the tensing of a looped section of wire.
      n. A painful muscle spasm, as in the neck or back; a crick.
      n. A difficulty or flaw that is likely to impede operation, as in a plan or system.
      per Wordnik from The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, 5th Edition.

      I don’t care what you define it to mean for your purposes. The word, as defined for far longer than you’ve been alive, means something we usually *don’t* want to strive for.

      Pool wasn’t doing any shaming, he was pointing out some of the flaws. No human endeavor of any morality is free of flaws. You’d learn more if you’d step away from feeling defensive of your particular endeavor and consider that there are kinks in kink.

      The problem with kink fans is they constantly proselytize for it and if who they’re lobbying shows no interest, they act all wounded.

  35. TheReasoningPatriot says:

    Tim, its not the sexual, or mechanical, nature of porn that’s the problem. Its the transactional nature. The seller are reduced to tits, ass and vagina. Only their sexual organs have value. The buyer is reduced to an ATM. Its dehumanizing.

    By the way, your guest Myron from Fit & Fresh literally encouraged young women to become whores. He thinks they should first find sugar daddies (yes plural), get on onlyfans to sell themselves as sex objects, and then sell panties, socks, whatever the pervs want to buy. Do that for a few years, save their money and then travel/enjoy life. I stopped watching their podcast when he explained that if he was a young woman, that’s what he would do. Assholes like that are destroying our culture.

    • TheDarkworld says:

      I mean by that logic grocery stores reduce broccoli to… Food.

    • nrol34 says:

      If it’s ego-dystonic for you don’t participate. You are trying to justify not having porn by paying money. Sex for money (prostitution) and sexual titillation for money. Has been done for thousands of years. To the people paying it may be worth it. You are being judgmental and must get out of being yourself and put yourself in someone else shoes.

      Utilitarian Morality is what businesses use. It tries to adjudicate what is best for the most in society or the company. Germany during WW2 (yes, the infamous NAZIS) was a Utilitarian society, and they removed those that were a burden to the State. Adolf Eichmann was an administrator that set up the transportation of Jews to concentration camps. He was tried in Israel in 1961 and sentenced to death. Eichmann had no evil intent; he just did his job. He harbored no ill will for those he unknowingly sent to their deaths. He was the banality of Evil (Arendt) because he did not get outside of his sphere and see what was happening.

      Not looking outside of your worldview is dangerous. I would be prudent at looking at pornography, it has been here thousands of years. Saying it is wrong all of a sudden maybe judgmental. Sexual desires are natural and looking at women, masturbation, and having sex at young ages has been done for thousands of years. It is a possibility that rape may be natural because conquering armies raped women and if they did not fall in line they were killed. An unsettling statistic showed 78% of women raped had an orgasm. This may be wired into the female form. Incest may also have been around for years. After Lot’s wife was lost and later his daughters wanted sex with him.

      I don’t partake in prostitutes or porn but removing something that is ingrained into human history will only make it have more allure. Prohibition of alcohol was a failure. The drug war is lost because of their prohibition. (Look at Portugal and how they handle drugs). Eliminating Porn may ultimately be your will, but it is removing free will from others. The non-theistic humanist elites who want to be like GODS want porn eliminated. Utilitarian elites want to eliminate porn but fund organizations that advocate teaching deviant sexuality and masturbation in schools. (of course, making white boys wrong) This is amoral because it creates creating paradox and confusion.

  36. WillyD says:

    We really need a better vid player

  37. nrol34 says:

    It has been over an hour and a half. I had my rant. Your video is still encoding. I just can imagine you rock heads putting your heads together and making a rock pile.

  38. nrol34 says:

    PORN DOES NOT HARM SOCIETY IF YOU DON’T WANT IT TO. You are like those women with the Baby on Board signs on their car or my idiot neighbors with SLOW DOWN WATCH CHILDREN signs all over the place. If they would teach their kids not to run in the street, we would not have to watch for them. Self-righteous idiots. When I raised my kid and, he knew better. These GenXers and Millennials are greedy moral idiots who don’t care for anyone except themselves.

    I worked for Bell Labs and have been on the internet since 1984. I can remember seeing porn in 1987 for the first time on the internet. Before that, you used a dial-up modem to go to a certain phone number. PORN was a driving force on the internet, creating many business models and security techniques for logging in. Why have you decided after 30 years that suddenly it is terrible?

    Porn accounts for 1/3 of all traffic on the net right now. Webroot calls it a significant threat to society (1). I guess all the other Silicon Valley idiots do too. So now they want to ban porn but don’t have the balls to say it. You can’t use credit cards anymore to buy porn. I think banning porn is dangerous.

    I am a very religious Roman Catholic. There are two types of Law in the church God’s Law and Man’s Law. Abortion is killing, and your buddy Seamus is pro-life, wanting to have man’s regulations stopping Abortion. I, however, believe God has given us free will, and to impose upon someone else free will is a sin because you want to BE LIKE GOD. This is what the serpent said to Eve before she bit the apple.
    According to Thomas Aquinas, this was the original sin. I believe Man’s Law should be more liberal than God’s Law because you would limit free will. I do not advocate Abortion as a Catholic. In the end, YOU CAN’T FORCE A PERSON TO GO to HEAVEN THAT DOES NOT WANT TO GO. Taking away rights to Abortion will only cause resentment, creating a negative listening later. Sometimes a person becomes more reasonable with time. With having the right to Abortion, you may be able to get a listening making salvation easier. The RC Council of Bishops voted 66% in favor of Biden receiving communion even though he was Pro-Life.

    So, what does this have to do with PORN. Yes, it may change sexual development, create depression, create unrealistic expectancies, create teen pregnancy, and so on. No one under 21 should have access. But making it TABOO and outlawing it will drive it underground. It will make it more alluring just like taking drugs or drinking alcohol during Prohibition. Porn has been an issue for a long time. Why are you rock heads worried about it now?

    Why would the Elite sponsor the WOKE who want to teach a 6 yr. old to masturbate? Teach kids to be transgender and advocate for getting operations at young ages. But PORN is suddenly bad? The ELITES are creating paradoxes and confusion. Elites are trying to BE LIKE GODS undermining society to push their Utilitarian Morality. The WOKE believes in Relative Morality (treating grievances with EQUITY in an authoritarian manner. I believe in Universal Morality (Based in religion, where grievances treat everyone EQUALLY using reason to resolve issues). Imagine teaching 6 yr. old to masturbate then taking away pornography. Where is the Reason? Rules like this are unnatural and unreasonable on many levels.

    Kids should be told pornography exists and should not partake. Schools should teach sexuality and self-control (abstinence). Families should teach their kids not to do risky behavior, not be like my idiot neighbors expect everyone to slow down to watch their darlings. Porn is not for younger people. It is the responsibility of parents and schools to teach kids to stay away from porn.

    Outlawing porn interferes with free will, it destroys the human spirit. There is a place for porn and prostitution, although I don’t partake. Consider a handicapped who can only fulfill sexual desires with a prostitute or porn? Porn is ego-dystonic but, it satisfies a biological need. Starving and shop-lifting food may be ego-dystonic, but a biological need is satisfied. These two examples are arguable on many levels, but PORN does not have to harm society if we don’t want it to.

    (1) https://www.webroot.com/us/en/resources/tips-articles/internet-pornography-by-the-numbers

    • MacOsborn says:

      I disagree on one point. I don’t think schools should be teaching our children anything to do with sexuality. That should be the responsibility of the parents, not the teachers.

      • nrol34 says:

        Sex education has been taught in school since the 1950s. In the 1960s I was taught about STDs and we were scared into abstinence. It was mostly biological. There was one gay kid in the class and they stayed in the closet. Maybe there could have been a sexuality component. Today there is something wrong with the schools and teaching sexuality and how to be a citizen. I concede your limited view of public education today may be correct in your eyes. Catholic school did well for my son.

      • UppityG says:

        @Macos, zakly.

  39. keldan says:

    Tim, great guest!! I’m so glad I am a member of your site. Thanks for all the hard work you do for us.. 🙂

  40. nrol34 says:

    I cant get the video because it is constantly encoding but I can imagine what you are saying by the introduction sentence on restricting PORN. I will post another comment.

  41. Ozzy says:

    Women make good money from their looks by prostituting themselves one way or another, but what happens when they get older and their looks fade away and men stop paying attention to them? What are they going to do then? They could marry, but no self respecting man would take a woman with a past like that seriously. Theres gonna be a lot of old, sad, lonely women in the future.

  42. MeSoTrashed says:

    When I was a kid we had to search the woods for porn. I would cut out pictures and sell them for a dollar a piece to my middle school friends. I can’t imagine having unlimited free video on demand as a young person. I surly wouldn’t have had the drive to get a girlfriend.

  43. Element says:

    “Woman that have no sexual partners when they get married rate themselves much happier.” If you want people to have less sex than you should want more porn. The data shows that young people having less sex, staying virgins longer, and they have had the most access to porn. If people can sate their desires through porn then they don’t need to immediately fuck the first person they meet.

  44. Element says:

    No porn and you end up like Afghanistan with goats.

  45. KMerckCPA says:

    No one whining about encoding because they have a shitty phone today? Refreshing!

  46. HonestAhole says:

    I don’t think I heard it mentioned, but India has this great book that teaches all kinds of really great ideas for sex. It’s called the Kama Sutra. You don’t need porn to learn about sex, just a Kama sutra and a willing partner.

  47. channasilva2000 says:

    Bye Bye Only Fans

  48. cbkevin1975@gmail.com says:

    Porn gives kids unrealistic expectations…like how fast you can get a plumber to your house

  49. stoofvlees says:

    Ian.. Hollywood is bad because muh exploitation. But muh porn is good.

  50. FatalFate says:

    You heard Lydia boys, sex is to be in the confines of that one room. MASSIVE ORGY AT TIMS!!

  51. charlyINcharge says:

    Good episode. Well….off to Pornhub to wax my carrot and fall asleep in my own filth.

  52. Blade0351 says:

    I will not stop calling for Ian to be kicked off the show. He is perfectly entitled to his opinion but holy shit he just opens his mouth and nothing logical comes out. He has no consistent opinions and he never brings evidence to his points. He only brings the conversation down.

  53. VeganSausage says:

    What does any of this conversation have to do with onlyfans thots engaging in capitalist free exchange of service for coin provided by simps? There’s no capitalist exploitation here as ALL parties are consensual participants.

    Morally, there’s exploitation here but thots are exploiting simps through deceit and promise of an interaction that will never take place.

    What’s Tinder have to do with any of this? You people are weird

  54. Grand_Kai says:

    I will say this, as a man, I have slept with more women then any one person would care to admit to. Yes more then what you’re just thinking. Now… I jerk off to simply keep my dick from being hard when it shouldn’t. I have no want, no need, no desire for a women. I constantly have thought of well… then think its honestly not worth my time. Anything they could offer, means nothing to me, and yet they can take everything from me. A women is meant more then just friends, what does that mean? Well if the sex means 0 to me now, then their just friends, and I have a lot of those that wont take my money. Sure every now and then I indulge, but now to me, compared to her what that meant is so disjointed it doesn’t matter. The less partners the better for you and her period!

  55. Grand_Kai says:

    Innocence should be protected at all cost. Once it is gone it is gone forever, and once a child watches porn, it’s stripped from them. All these feminists out there do not realizes if you strip that from an individual to soon… that is all they will see.

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  57. Koko says:

    Replace family with a good community and I think Ian is right. Thing is everyone talks about family nowadays but that is a reclusive idea or used Ina reclusive sense most of the time. It is easier or a cop out to say you contribute to the community because you have a “family”. Having a kid doesn’t excuse violent behavior or toxicness

  58. Dn1984 says:

    IAN!! you cannot even agree on the definition of fucking porn¿??¿?? ¡!¡! How have you survived this long¿¡?!

  59. Grand_Kai says:

    Imagine having Post nut clarity with a women you love and cherish. Instead of FML, did I just jerk off to a random girl fucking her self with a squid that she begged it to choke her harder? Instead, you may just discover the break through of interdimensional travel.

  60. Ty_Bo says:

    Easy solution. I have to have an account and take a picture of my i.d. to trade stocks on webull. Do the same for porn sites. It’s not banned but it’ll knock out kids watching it and adults who don’t want to implement that either want kids to see it or they are hiding it. Done.

    • Pugpugpugs says:

      Wow you’re right, I don’t want to reveal my porn habits to the public. How secretive of me. I really hate that kids are able to get to this shit at such a young age, and I think it was detrimental to my development, but your track trace database bullshit doesn’t stop a motivated person (like a horny teenager) from watching. US law won’t change what sites in other countries do, so the only way to truly prevent kids from getting porn is to build a Chinese-style intranet. Not worth it.

  61. Lyons7486 says:

    Porn isn’t really all that different from all the weird shit in human history. Things like brothels, live sex shows, burlesque, etc just to name a few things have been fairly common place in the past and even to this day in nearly every society. It is human nature and has and will always be around.

  62. IanWelch says:

    All of you love boxing and fighting sports, let’s use a “moral” argument for that, it’s wrong the fighters get mentally damaged yet you still support them beating the shit outa each other for no reason? Who cares if someone wants to damage themselves for money it’s called freedom to not freedom from grow up, and get the damn religious bs outa politics it’s cringe.

  63. MeaCulpa says:

    I appreciate you guys raising awareness on porn addiction and having the conversation. My 9 year marriage ended because my ex had a porn addiction. Psychology speaking it doesn’t just cause damage to the addicted, it also makes the intamite partner involved question their comfortably in their own skin.
    I think kids would have better outcomes if we focused on teaching them about ALL kinds of addictions, and how to overcome them and recognize when they could be at risk. Give kids the tools to defeat addictions. But then we would be putting psychiatrists out of a job.

  64. Janart48 says:

    9 and a half weeks as bad as I would go, with Mickey Rourke and Kim Basinger. The best sex is with someone you love and trust. No inhibitions needed.

  65. ChrisTovHD says:

    Why is ian even on this show

  66. Smokingburrito says:

    You don’t have to worry about sexual harassment, with porn. No emotional baggage in porn. Ian you get what you search for. Why would you search for the crazy shit you are talking about. Everything in moderation. “Missionary Mary” is boring. Nobody under 18 should be watching it anyway. Adult stuff is for adults. Drugs, porn, prostitution. With consenting ADULTS, should not be a debate if used in moderation, and abuse is not involved.

  67. Wolv256 says:

    Counterpoint: Have you tried VR Porn?

  68. BladeRunner says:

    Technical request. Please adjust the Media Player so I can skip forward. Whenever Ian opens his pie hole skipping is required. That’s the best part of YouTube.

  69. DrewishAF says:

    We need to get Ian to actually look for information beyond finding things that only agree with his predetermined opinions. Get him to watch the various iterations of John Doyle’s Anti-Porn Dissertations on Heck off Commie. He’s one of the few people who actually speaks on the matter from a position of both principle and evidence.

    It’s just wildly frustrating when Ian gives an answer with some random “what-if” that comes from his misunderstanding of fundamental concepts which require tremendous quantities of assumptions because he can’t actually argue his view. Most of the things he says in response are so absurd that it’s difficult to tell how many words in the prompt were beyond his comprehension. Then it’s like he just starts stringing together unrelated gibberish because he’s trying to throw spaghetti at the wall to see what sticks.

    I just have a really difficult time respecting someone who claims to be something (in this case a reasonable, classically liberal, well-read commenter) yet bathes in hypocrisy and dresses in contradiction. When I see someone take a hard stand on a subject then begin spewing garbled nonsense because they don’t know why their already-formed opinion is what it is, I can’t help thinking that the person is just arrogant and trying to show that they are better than you.

  70. michael1993mujadin@gmail.com says:

    i agree that things have consequences like porn, but it’s weird to hear peoples arguments in regards to an issue as if they’re kids. like they can’t control themselves and that the issue i feel like that should be talked about is why has the degree of critical thinking individuals gone so down; that these issues are now issues on a cultural level. like porn and similarly to a gun isn’t evil, but the quality and as well experienced of and individual is so low that these things are society collapsing topics. since these things didn’t force anyone full knowing the negative consequences and did them anyways, but people now can’t separate, can’t control, and can’t have any foresight to think about the after math or events following.

  71. KDiddy says:

    I’m totally into the science that having sex is healthy. Thinking about it all the time isn’t healthy but it’s better than feeling no desire. Talking about it all the time isn’t healthy either but it’s better than it being a difficult secret. Doing it all the time isn’t either but it’s better than no one getting it. Some people do not know how to control themselves very well. It’s one of the most telling signs that someone is… uh… close to nature so to speak. You see animal behavior, and then you see human behavior, and you have to compare the two and recognize when there’s similarities and differences and what the shades of grey are.

  72. Juggerthor says:

    Ian shutup.

  73. Deacon says:

    Did Ian really just say baby porn?

  74. GreMIO420 says:

    Ahhh, someone or two didn’t have internet access.

  75. Yobuyahouse says:

    Awesome glad to hear it! Porn is so bad for our brains! We all need to eat more graham crackers.

  76. Another Beer says:

    Great conversation. Awesome message about love and marriage.

  77. HemiWk says:

    As someone who has and still is struggling with porn addiction I can say that it is definitely bad. I have the feeling and Ive heard it talked about from various comedians who talk about how it feels good while your engaging it but as soon as it’s done you feel shame. which I think is a normal reaction because porn is NOT a normal thing all throughout history they have been things such as bdsm gangbangs orgy’s and so on and so forth most of the “kinks” in porn aren’t necessarily abnormal but not a part of regular society every guy and woman have been in a locker room or a bar and people talk about how tight she was how big his dick was how long u fucked or that she swallowed has always for better or for worse been a part of casual conversations people have PRIVATELY, being able to walk down the street and see some woman walking or guy walking and picturing them having sex in anyway that your mind takes you, because anything you can think of sexually has been filmed and is on the internet is NOT normal and no these people aren’t “acting” keanu reeves playing john wick has not actually murdered anybody people pretending to be step dad and step daughter roleplaying and talking about it and fucking is not acting you are actively engaging your mind into a different reality and when you say and do something enough it starts to become real. People want to talk about toxic masculinity and racism then look to porn its often some dude skull fucking a chick till she pukes while she calls him daddy and he’s smacking her around and spitting it her face and a white woman saying fuck me with that big black cock and sometimes even n***er dick. Think of black lives matter the pride parades the transgender movement they’re not out to destroy families, these people have no belief system they only believe in pleasure and power they want a magical utopia were everybody’s is fuck buddies with no responsibility to uphold someone else’s standards, wishes or desires onto themselves. they want the pleasure and that’s it love is a fake thing to them and so is belief in a higher power. My grandma and grandpa or both very pentecostal so I have believe engrained in me and can see the evil from some of these people. I seen a scene once where a woman blew 15 guys had dick in every hole and at the end when she was going to swallow she was begging saying ” ya ya ya ya ya give me then dead babies so I can smother then all down” and this was a very prominent highly viewed pornstar if this kind of shit isn’t evil I don’t know what it is and literally anybody with a internet connection can watch anytime they want porn can be on twitter and then pr rep for the taliban has a verified account but donald trump said some mean thing so he has to go almost every person who advocates for porn and sex work have no moral and principled foundation to stand on they just know that it feels good not what actually is good

    • nrol34 says:

      lose porn lose 1st ammendment. What are your moral principles? I have seen NONE posted by anyone. If you stand in morality and have principles, you have something to live by.

      • HemiWk says:

        I don’t agree with porn being a 1a argument lewd and lascivious acts have always had bans from infiltrating the public. We’re in a whole new playing field with porn and the internet in the past “porn” wasn’t as big of a issue because you had to look at paintings then early pictures then modern cameras along with vhs and dvd. The problem now is that it is at the finger tips of anybody anytime they want or if they just accidentally type the wrong thing into google with the safe results turned off. What i would like to see as far as porn goes would be for it to be purged from the internet even though I do completely understand that’s not a possibility. I don’t want to outlaw it because fundamentally I do think it’s people right to engage in it if they so CHOOSE. As far as morals go I find that something very difficult to discuss because its a difficult thing to define but I’ll try my best. Morals are the foundation upon which you live, the easiest way for me to put it would just be the old saying do on to others as you would want done to you. I believe in a mix of free will and determinism at the root of everything I think it comes down to the individual using their free will to makes decisions based of they’re “lived experience”(input) and universal truths (input) to determine what kind of decision (output) they make. Every new question or opportunity is a new time for someone to use they’re free will to make decisions based off of past questions answered and opportunity fulfilled. This is where my problem with porn is it’s that it has a very easy way of infiltrating somebody’s free will. Porn seeks in on peoples natural tendencies for what what “feels” good instead of what “is” good it uses word play and dopamine to subvert the will of people involved especially those in the production. It reduces humans down to binaries (black, white,asian,big tit, big ass, big dick,cuckold, stepdad, etc…). It takes concepts like love and contorts it with pleasure this why you see so much “daddy” porn because the women involved in most, certainly not all situations ,had past issues with their father and by being convinced through emotional and often physical trauma that if they give the man pleasure that they can live up to some standard of pleasing their “daddy” of due to feeling inadequate because of abandonment issues and feeling that their at fault and that they werent loved due to some flaw they had leading to bad self esteem. An example in porn would be making a girl puke on his dick then say something like “you love pleasing daddy don’t you, you’re such a good girl go ahead let’s try it again” while the next time she does it he holds her longer while she visibly and audibly struggles and you keeps telling her that’s she’s doing good and making “daddy” happy. I believe that doing your best to not harm others and to help your neighbors and your friends and family are the best morals you can live by..porn has determined a lot of things in my life ultimately because I myself have allowed it to infiltrate the darkest corners of mind. Sex is meant to be a deep connection between people not what looks best on camera if you watch interviews with pornstars they’ll often talk about how the stuff they do hurts and doesn’t feel good at all it just looks good in camera. Porn gives the world a distorted view of reality and makes people think in binary decisions with unrealistic goals. I think porn is most definitely a drug both for the user and producer, and I believe like most drugs people don’t do them because they’re inherently bad people but because they’re fragile people who often don’t understand true joy like building a life with someone and having someone you can have absolute vulnerability with and be as open with emotions and thoughts as you want. I struggle with this because I have high levels of both what”is” good and what “feels” good in me at all times often coming into conflict with one another. I use porn typically when I’m not feeling happy about what “is” good in my life such as feeling inadequate about not being able to give somebody else the happiness I would want for myself. Using porn made me not be able to get off the first time I had sex, I had sex for 4 hours and couldn’t get off because my expectations were so drastically different than reality. At this point in my life short of maybe taking some ayahuasca or something I in a lot of ways (not completely) have no free will left when it comes to sexual thoughts that spring into my head at any given time. I don’t think that these people should be locked up or charged necessarily just like I don’t think a heroin junky should go to jail just for doing heroin ultimately the people in porn and in drugs just need purpose in life and a way of bringing true joy onto others. I’m not asking for making it illegal just that honest conversations about it needs to happen and people need to be educated on how dangerous it can be just like heroin. Most people involved in both need help and fulfillment not punishment. I guess my moral argument for this would be that porn disrupts your freedom of thought by targeting urges in the mind and body without freedom of thought freedom of speech is pointless if you’ve been brainwashed like a manchurian candidate and are incapable of thinking your own thoughts with out coercion.

  78. Stephen Menard says:

    My girlfriend of 5 years became a sugar baby after we broke up. She claims she did it because her job alone couldn’t pay all of her bills. All I know now is that she is still in the same position she was when this all started and she’s just as unhappy as she was before. Its definitely not a good lifestyle.

  79. NeverMetTheGuy says:

    Is anybody else watching these before the podcast now? I can’t be the only guy…

  80. Elated_Echo says:

    Ian Crossland Quotes: “Don’t beat off to that, I dont give financial advice”

  81. harumph says:

    FEMINISM IS CANCER…

  82. buffalo420 says:

    The reason Gina Carano is the absolute best she can actually fight and she’s absolutely stunning

  83. demfraz says:

    I think we need to bring back temples or sacred organizations that teach about masculinity and femininity. Teaching about sex from a male and female perspective. Not just in school once or twice, but in the stages of puberty and into adulthood.

    Teaching about the core of what manhood and womanhood really is and how they come together, mentally, spiritually, and obviously physically.